(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2013 North American Masters Round 3 Board 1 Zi Yang (Matthew) Hu 1p vs Jie Liang 7d]PW[Zi Yang (Matthew) Hu]PB[Jie Liang]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2013-08-07]EV[2013 North American Masters Tournament]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[USGO1 [-\]: Hello and welcome to the AGA E-Journal's continuing broadcast of the 2013 US Go Congress in Tacoma, WA. My name is Solomon Smilack and I will be transcribing this game.
USGO1 [-\]: This is the third round of the North American Masters' Tournament, a 4-round Swiss-McMahon tournament. Matthew and Jie are two of the four remaining undefeated players.
USGO1 [-\]: The room is full of smiles - everyone seems to be in a cheery mood this Tuesday afternoon.
USGO1 [-\]: There's some slight confusion about tables, since some of the games for tonights round of the Strong Players Open have already been played.
Jermelle [-\]: *crickets
Rukis [1k\]: Just wait till i get there >:D
Jermelle [-\]: *rukis loses his games there as well
Rukis [1k\]: nah i plan to bbeat the pros :D
Megalodon [9d\]: yay! happy go night
USGO1 [-\]: And if you weren't on this morning to see the commotion on the top board at the US Open, you should check it out in my game list or on the crosstabs - Matthew lost that game by a half-point, so maybe he will be looking for redemption here.
emre06 [9k\]: final match
Megalodon [9d\]: yeah! redeem it
AzureSea [4d\]: not final match
BOThater36 [4d\]: Is his opponent this morning really 7dan or is a pro?
USGO1 [-\]: There were some heated arguments about how to score seki and whether or not extra prisoners had been put on the board.
USGO1 [-\]: I believe his opponent this morning, Yuhan Zhang, is just an amateur. I met him while recording his game last night and he said he was majoring in mathematics in Beijing.
BOThater36 [4d\]: hmm, beat 3p then 1p
BOThater36 [4d\]: especially Hu the kid is so strong
emre06 [9k\]: how old is he?
BOThater36 [4d\]: 13 now I believe
emre06 [9k\]: wow 
emre06 [9k\]: clever kid
BOThater36 [4d\]: no doubt and so mature, not just in Go
emre06 [9k\]: how old is kghin
emre06 [9k\]: he is also young tough
USGO1 [-\]: The players have taken their seats now and the room is quieting down, just waiting for the TD to finish announcements.
Rukis [1k\]: 15/26
Rukis [1k\]: 16*
BOThater36 [4d\]: this game 5-1 favor to Hu, line is open. Any1 bet?
emre06 [9k\]: is that semi final or what
glasszee [3k\]: 100 to liang
emre06 [9k\]: can someone explain?
BOThater36 [4d\]: accept 100
USGO1 [-\]: It is essentially a semi=final for 1st place, other places usually are decided by tie-breakers.
]RE[W+28.50]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[cd]C[Automatic: 150 on Liang
emre06 [9k\]: tnx
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;W[pc]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: take
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;B[pe]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: I will be very rich 3 hours later
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;W[qg]
;B[qc]
;W[mc]C[glasszee [3k\]: why doesn't w play q16 instead of n17 ?
Achiles [2k\]: its a pro thing
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;B[md]C[basicpract [-\]: it is just a different joseki :)
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;W[ld]
;B[nc]
;W[nd]
;B[me]
;W[nb]
;B[lc]
;W[oc]C[guapo [2k\]: how old is Yuhan Zhang?
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;B[mb]
;W[nc]
;B[kd]
;W[qd]C[glasszee [3k\]: this is all joseki? i prefer it for w in that case
USGO1 [-\]: In his early 20s I think.
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;B[dj]C[rollstory [2k\]: yes it´s joseki
Achiles [2k\]: seems fair - plus b sente
rollstory [2k\]: but should have captured
WuHoUnited [1k\]: i wouldn't say top right is that great for white. black gets the wall on the correct side and has a bit of aji
glasszee [3k\]: ah
WuHoUnited [1k\]: fairly even
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;W[ei]C[hbw [2k\]: oh oh
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: e11 a little strange
tywin [2d?\]: Ladder breaker is strange?
USSRMan [3d\]: yeah
glasszee [3k\]: i think w is aiming at e16 or e17 
emre06 [9k\]: why strange
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: black should be able to push once
Rukis [1k\]: nope
Achiles [2k\]: not clear it helps other than breaking ladder
tywin [2d?\]: No, this ladder breaker threatens to capture a surrounding stone.
rollstory [2k\]: here the weaknes comes
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: e10 
tywin [2d?\]: Oh, yes. Push that way.
Achiles [2k\]: just m15 and move on?
glasszee [3k\]: l17 is a ko weakness, right?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i think black will push once, then capture
hemb [?\]: m15 makes the most sense to me
hemb [?\]: then wd11?
guapo [2k\]: so if w is a chinese pro and he lost today, that says a lot about american amateur level right?
glasszee [3k\]: if b captures, w will tenuki
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;B[ej]C[Harbinger [4k\]: m15 calm, e10 just to spite the ladder breaker lol
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;W[fi]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: now capture
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;B[le]
;W[di]
;B[cj]C[pururun [3k\]: huge wall for b
glasszee [3k\]: someone called that, props to them
hemb [?\]: ooh, keeping the ladder alive with e10. i like that
Merlot [1k\]: f10
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: ya, listen to the weak 1d
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: :-P
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;W[ci]C[emre06 [9k\]: :)
hemb [?\]: is w aiming at e16?
hemb [?\]: or something more severe?
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;B[gk]C[Shinbo [8k\]: what does the "p" stand for in "1p"? Is it a kind of ranking after dan?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: p is pro
noi [6k\]: pro
pururun [3k\]: it's professional dan
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: it's not after [9d\], it's sort of completely separate
emre06 [9k\]: p means poor
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;W[ed]
;B[ec]C[Harbinger [4k\]: hes a real 1d lol
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;W[dd]C[The [3k\]: 30k-1k. 1d-6d. 1p-9p
emre06 [9k\]: poor whiye
pururun [3k\]: and 1d means the rank is 1d amateur
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;B[dc]
;W[ce]C[pururun [3k\]: 1p means 1d professional
emre06 [9k\]: no
glasszee [3k\]: which one here is a kgs user?
emre06 [9k\]: it means 1 dan poor
Menethar [?\]: 1d<7d
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
AzureSea [4d\]: oh hey rukis
gollum [4k\]: 1p>7d XP
Achiles [2k\]: f16
humblelife [-\]: b15
hemb [?\]: bf16?
USGO1 [-\]: While he lost in the Open this morning, it was only by a half-point. And he has won this tournament - the North American Masters - the last two years.
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i'm thinking maybe f16
glasszee [3k\]: i like f16
humblelife [-\]: does mini avalanche work here? i assume the white wall or corner breaks it
AzureSea [4d\]: white's wall seems kind of useless
AzureSea [4d\]: overconcentrated
gollum [4k\]: b16 
noi [6k\]: this seems bad for w
USGO1 [-\]: He also won the US Open last year, I think.
hemb [?\]: I expected wf17 instead of d16, but maybe that would not have been better?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: white wall is overconentrated, but black is gonna have some aji because of f9 
AzureSea [4d\]: well he is a 1p
AzureSea [4d\]: he probably has something in mind
humblelife [-\]: if f16, c17, but if b15, i don't see a good move for w
tywin [2d?\]: I can never tell if the pros have some deep design, or are just playing the first thing that pops into their heads.
glasszee [3k\]: i think c17 is impossible
Achiles [2k\]: that last thing you said
hemb [?\]: depends if they're playing another pro, or you
AzureSea [4d\]: lol well pros read very deeply
AzureSea [4d\]: he probably saw something like 30 moves in advance that might work well
AzureSea [4d\]: so he's playing this sequence
Harbinger [4k\]: that would be a stereotype me thinks
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm lol true
Achiles [2k\]: c17 no good
Harbinger [4k\]: not all pro's read extremely far ;)
Shinbo [8k\]: U watched too much anime though
emre06 [9k\]: 30 moves?
Rukis [1k\]: 30 is by far nto extreme
emre06 [9k\]: wow
humblelife [-\]: c17 is ok, but w will f16 toward the b thickness
Rukis [1k\]: tell me that once you hit 100
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: not all moves are equal....
glasszee [3k\]: 30 is probably the ladder breaker just now
Automatic: if b can get f4, I think it looks nice
Rukis [1k\]: g4 works better i think
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
tywin [2d?\]: B's lower left is kind of an annoying situation for me. I can't make up my mind what the best way to secure it (or expand it) would be.
Achiles [2k\]: i can read a ladder from b2 to s18 how many moves is that
Rukis [1k\]: b16 b15 f16 f15 g16 e14 
Rukis [1k\]: maybe?
Rukis [1k\]: or b16 d14 ?
humblelife [-\]: w will not give b sente because w can't expect a local advantage in upper left
glasszee [3k\]: achiles can't read a ladder from a1 to t19 ...
tywin [2d?\]: b16 f16, Rukis?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: for black i probbaly wouldn't even secure the lower left, juts make bigger moyo at k4, let white invade and try to get the other half of the wing
Rukis [1k\]: that works too
hemb [?\]: what about bo4 instead of f4
Rukis [1k\]: humble
Automatic: g4 seems overambitious imo
Rukis [1k\]: white cant expect to get sente out of this
glasszee [3k\]: i would just f3
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: f3 doesn't work with g9 
Achiles [2k\]: f16 only move (bangs gavel)
nops [1d\]: d3?
glasszee [3k\]: i would rather c4 than d3
sweety [-\]: b15
Rukis [1k\]: black should f17 :D
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: d3 not ambitious
Rukis [1k\]: for the lulz
active0 [2d\]: d3 does not seem bad to me
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;B[be]C[hemb [?\]: I want b to play b15 because it looks more fun
active0 [2d\]: but i like f4 better
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: go big or go home
Harbinger [4k\]: k4 a bit hopeful probably.  against this player, i think i would try to play a little more calm and solid
hemb [?\]: oh great
Rukis [1k\]: or this..
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;W[bd]C[Achiles [2k\]: rats
humblelife [-\]: yay
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;B[cc]
;W[bf]C[Shinbo [8k\]: I never get that move.
Harbinger [4k\]: and just not leave a lot of weakness ;)
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;B[fd]C[glasszee [3k\]: they probably read this sequence 4 times over
humblelife [-\]: ishida might be proud
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;W[cq]C[hemb [?\]: wow
Trevors [6k\]: ????!!!!!!!
glasszee [3k\]: c3 makes b overconcentrated
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: quick, which way he block!
active0 [2d\]: good idea by w
glasszee [3k\]: very cool
active0 [2d\]: d15 is not very big
Achiles [2k\]: its kinda payback
active0 [2d\]: so tenuki
Rukis [1k\]: not really
tywin [2d?\]: Trevors, w is a bit overconcentrated already, saving two stones makes it worse.
hemb [?\]: well bc4 now right?
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;B[cp]
;W[dq]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i thought black would block the other way and double-hane
Harbinger [4k\]: f3? lol
Automatic: of course, b getting to play on bottom was not in w plan
glasszee [3k\]: i don't think b can kill if theres double hane
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;B[de]C[active0 [2d\]: not double hane!! then w will just live in the corner, and not play like in your dream!
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;W[cf]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: if white live in corner, that's okay
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;B[fq]
;W[fr]C[hemb [?\]: ooh, that's a good in between move
tywin [2d?\]: In this situation maybe the reverse cross-cut, active?
Achiles [2k\]: b has all the cash
active0 [2d\]: you sure? its sente life :o
glasszee [3k\]: ther'es a way to end the corner in sente with a little extra aji
glasszee [3k\]: is this the way?
Harbinger [4k\]: i see... B took free moves and then played it out ;)
active0 [2d\]: also w could switch direction and take lower side instead
active0 [2d\]: that should be good for w
hemb [?\]: why did he play f3 instead of e3?
active0 [2d\]: for sente presumably
glasszee [3k\]: yes
Harbinger [4k\]: not necessarilly sente
gorian: e3 is no more played by pros, or very rarely
Shinbo [8k\]: i think w wants to get inside
Harbinger [4k\]: however, B is a bit mor solid ;)
Kanin [-\]: gorian, come again?
hemb [?\]: really? f3 almost always better?
Achiles [2k\]: so its a pro thing
gorian: yea
glasszee [3k\]: f3 doesnt work if b4 for white works iirc
active0 [2d\]: i think f3 is a special move, i would not always play it here
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;B[gq]
;W[bp]C[tywin [2d?\]: f3 is about trying to keep sente. I think.
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;B[bo]
;W[bq]C[Automatic: f3 is special yes, for sente i think
active0 [2d\]: yea
Automatic: with a stone at k4 it is usually done
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;B[cn]C[hemb [?\]: so did he need that wall at d10 for that?
gorian: well check the databases e3 is hard to see after 2000
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;W[eq]
;B[ep]
;W[gr]C[glasszee [3k\]: now tenuki?
gorian: and G2 is not suente
Harbinger [4k\]: thats because the timing for pros is different than amatures
gorian: sente
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: hard to tenuki this i think
active0 [2d\]: c6 looks bad :o but top side was good for b, so should be ok
Wood44 [3k\]: r15
humblelife [-\]: no, b will h or j3
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: maybe jump
Harbinger [4k\]: a lot of times e3 isnt ideal when the invasion is played
active0 [2d\]: tenuki is fine to me
Brentsuji [4k\]: I think black is happy to keep playing on the third line
glasszee [3k\]: b h3, w play somewhere else
eboesch [1k\]: if b tenukis, hasn't he just given away a point at e4?
glasszee [3k\]: in exchange for a lot in return
glasszee [3k\]: in theory
gorian: E4 is one point but more thickness
tywin [2d?\]: GoGoD picks up 453 examples since 2000, gorian.
active0 [2d\]: good point eboe
Harbinger [4k\]: w h3 looks painful
gorian: compare with F3 tywin
hemb [?\]: bh3 seems a bit important, I don't see how b is supposed to keep sente with this sequence
tywin [2d?\]: 254 for f3.
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;B[qn]C[glasszee [3k\]: i'll be surprised if b doesn't tenuki. i'll have to rethink my life.
glasszee [3k\]: phew
popocon [10k\]: uh
hemb [?\]: well, never mind then
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: pincer
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;W[qo]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: kgs always pincer
popocon [10k\]: what
Harbinger [4k\]: he wants sente
humblelife [-\]: ooh
popocon [10k\]: why kick here
Harbinger [4k\]: to take h3 ish type things? lol
active0 [2d\]: new joseki :)
active0 [2d\]: not for kyu players :)
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: kick here so that he can use his h3 to try to help surround bottom i think
Achiles [2k\]: aww
glasszee [3k\]: i always thought this makes b stronger unless there's a w stone blocking r10 
humblelife [-\]: will get o4 in sente, then b r10, then w h3
active0 [2d\]: it aims at r5 r6 q6 o4 r10 r8 usually
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;B[pn]C[humblelife [-\]: nice
hemb [?\]: if w pincer, could b double approach with o3? makes bh3 a stronger move
Harbinger [4k\]: play o4 prob
active0 [2d\]: so often b will not r10 but r9 or q9 instead
USSRMan [3d\]: pincer is probably better
USSRMan [3d\]: black settle too easily
USSRMan [3d\]: and double approach on o3 is no big deal because h2 is open
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;W[np]C[active0 [2d\]: but if you pincer... won't b just take the corner and the outside is still not w territory?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: will black be able to do anything with r13 stone?
active0 [2d\]: certainly
USSRMan [3d\]: i think if black takes corner, white will have sente
USGO1 [-\]: Should black take r9 or r10? Q10? Or some other idea? What do you think?
active0 [2d\]: any move in the area has a lot of aji
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: well, i guess first thing's first. r10 h3 
USSRMan [3d\]: he can secure outside
active0 [2d\]: r12 for me
Harbinger [4k\]: r10
USSRMan [3d\]: r10
active0 [2d\]: r10 r8 then?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: r15?
humblelife [-\]: r10, i suspect the right will be small
Achiles [2k\]: p4
glasszee [3k\]: i heard someone say r10 h3 
USSRMan [3d\]: q9
glasszee [3k\]: i like it
vapraiga: r10 and r8 q8 s6 s7 s5 s8 w sente bad for b
hemb [?\]: I don't think b wants to let w play h3
glasszee [3k\]: it's the only way i can justify this joseki choice
sweety [-\]: R10
Harbinger [4k\]: no he doesnt
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;B[qj]C[AzureSea [4d\]: h3 weird
pinkrobot [1k\]: h3 will be big
Harbinger [4k\]: and if i had to guess
glasszee [3k\]: hemb the logic behind what this guy said is r10 and h3 are miai
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;W[ql]C[USSRMan [3d\]: sente does not mean bad for b
glasszee [3k\]: is r8 joseki?
active0 [2d\]: yes
Achiles [2k\]: heres the pincer
vapraiga: r8 is a new one
glasszee [3k\]: i gotta learn it
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: somebody called this
active0 [2d\]: its often played nowadays
popocon [10k\]: how long has this game been around, and it's still evolving
vapraiga: thousands of years, not sure
glasszee [3k\]: maybe when chess is solved, they'll come running to go
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i think black will try to get r10 thick and then r15 possibly
ljl [6k?\]: 4k years
cloudbrows [3k\]: (I suspect the question was rhetorical.)
active0 [2d\]: its not that complicated actually, i think any dan can read most of the stuff involved
popocon [10k\]: go is only 4k?
Automatic: h3 is why this joseki works nicely with k4 stone
AzureSea [4d\]: aggrsesive move by w
popocon [10k\]: lol
glasszee [3k\]: go is 4p at least...
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: feel like black sort of doesn't have much choice here
hemb [?\]: vapraiga's sequence is bad for black, what can be play besides q8?
active0 [2d\]: btw, b s8 is also a new variation in this pattern
Harbinger [4k\]: q9 seems normal, or cap lol
vapraiga: s8 is also playes afaik
vapraiga: played
Achiles [2k\]: cap wont work read it
active0 [2d\]: cap? you mean p8 ??
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: s8
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;B[rl]C[Achiles [2k\]: yea
active0 [2d\]: p8 is pretty strange
Harbinger [4k\]: p8 is very strong
Stim [9k\]: isnt q8 cap?
Harbinger [4k\]: i ment cover ;)
active0 [2d\]: q8 is cover
active0 [2d\]: cover is usual, but has some obvious drawbacks (few territory)
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: q8 is not a cap, a cap is like a 1 point jump towards the center
Achiles [2k\]: ah
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: p8 would not have been a strong move because white just cuts black in half
Stim [9k\]: what are the benefits of s8 over q8
active0 [2d\]: that's a tough question stim
Stim [9k\]: oh because someone said cap doesnt work and i got curious
Harbinger [4k\]: i would actually go so far as saying as long as it steals a direction of play from the opponent towards the center it is a cap
active0 [2d\]: q8 certainly loses a lot of territory
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: somebody gave the sequence for q8
Harbinger [4k\]: no necessarilly 1 space jump ;)
Snova1987a [10k\]: that really depends on how W answers B S8 or P8
tywin [2d?\]: I *think* b is trying to avoid letting w fix the corner aji.
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: black q6 stones are too weak to q8 so he gets cut in half
active0 [2d\]: huh?
active0 [2d\]: q8 is an emergency connection
active0 [2d\]: how would he get cut?
vapraiga: r8 q8 s6 s7 s5 s8 same for Q9
AzureSea [4d\]: q8 nice move
lance [1d\]: if b q8 w can s8 and link
AzureSea [4d\]: cuz he has the r13 stone nearby
AzureSea [4d\]: it works very efficiently
AzureSea [4d\]: just read about this recently
vapraiga: q8 is bad for b in this situation
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;W[hq]C[AzureSea [4d\]: yes q8 bad here
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;B[pg]C[Achiles [2k\]: heh
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;W[ph]C[hemb [?\]: this game's great
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;B[qh]C[popocon [10k\]: was q13 unexpected
popocon [10k\]: oh
Stim [9k\]: it would be better with some commentary
Stim [9k\]: :D
popocon [10k\]: i would not have expected either of these last to B moves
AzureSea [4d\]: usgo how much time do they both have
vapraiga: W s5 is still sente later, removing corner aji
Stim [9k\]: 120 mins
AzureSea [4d\]: i expcet r12
USGO1 [-\]: Lots.
AzureSea [4d\]: but q13 hm
AzureSea [4d\]: okay
active0 [2d\]: q13 is a usual move in the q15 r10 shape when w invades at r13 
active0 [2d\]: because now b can connect
active0 [2d\]: can you read it?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i did not expect q13, but black is doing this to try to get some moves to help r10 stones out
AndEdhel [2d?\]: q13 gave thus nice crosscut
Stim [9k\]: q12 is going to be annoying in the future
popocon [10k\]: oh
popocon [10k\]: so to help r10
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: it just makes good shape with r13 because he has things like q11 or s13 
lance [1d\]: future is now
Stim [9k\]: present is now
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: just makes nice shape with the stones that are already there
Harbinger [4k\]: very good move for B, im not seeing much of a good way to handle this as W
popocon [10k\]: the past is now
popocon [10k\]: our brains lag
Trevors [6k\]: r11.lol
active0 [2d\]: harb, w will use the aji of r8, i think
active0 [2d\]: r11 is the move that does not work
AzureSea [4d\]: g5 looks nice for white later
AzureSea [4d\]: but here...
AndEdhel [2d?\]: points to popocon
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: r11 is the reason kyus lose handicap games :-P
AzureSea [4d\]: lol s10 ftw
active0 [2d\]: yes!
Harbinger [4k\]: s12 s12 r11 s14 seems silly
AzureSea [4d\]: s10 is the tesuji
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: what are some sequences for s10?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: s13?
active0 [2d\]: s10 r9 seems like the strongest response
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
tywin [2d?\]: s10, b resigns. It's that good.
AzureSea [4d\]: :)
active0 [2d\]: s10 s9 r11 s12 q10 r9 s11 would be w's dream
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: s10 seems like white leaving himself open to driving tesuji at s13 r14 r15 in a move or two
toffee [3d\]: w not treading b as an equal.
active0 [2d\]: s10 s11 s9 is benefit near s8
AndEdhel [2d?\]: w should s13 now?
glasszee [3k\]: s10 is not without its own weaknesses elsewhere
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: s10 would certainly complicate things. too hard for me to read
active0 [2d\]: s10 r9 r11 s12 .. then complicated but seems good for b to me
eboesch [1k\]: glasszee it's not about saving any one stone, it's about saving at least some stones
MitaniKun [5k?\]: is this live?
Harbinger [4k\]: if s10 was as amazing as they say, i doubt W would hesitate too much on playing it
glasszee [3k\]: problem is, it's complicated
hemb [?\]: that's not true
glasszee [3k\]: many many variations, and if he misses 1 mistake then it's all for nothing
Achiles [2k\]: maybe theres something amazier
AndEdhel [2d?\]: W s13 is calm and big
pinkrobot [1k\]: just p12
active0 [2d\]: btw, the reason why the 4d named s10, its probably because s10 is indeed the tesuji, but in a different, related shape (4th line)
MitaniKun [5k?\]: are they playing right now?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i don't think white would s10 s9 s11, think he would s10 s9 r11 
vapraiga: well, instead of Q12 just w r12 q12 r15 was fine imo
glasszee [3k\]: yea they are playing right now
eboesch [1k\]: after s10 maybe just b r11?
MitaniKun [5k?\]: so late
Harbinger [4k\]: not when u dont have work in the morning :3
cloudbrows [3k\]: Not even 8pm.
popocon [10k\]: mitani they are west coast
active0 [2d\]: s13 is drawing back in a poor way, i dont think white would like to play it
vapraiga: w wouldn't have played Q12 for s13
active0 [2d\]: vap: no, that would have been bad for w. b gets easy connection plus good influence!
tywin [2d?\]: Keep in mind that s13 does not connect w to r16 without another move.
tywin [2d?\]: The r15 aji remains.
popocon [10k\]: it would be nice to hear what the players think as well
popocon [10k\]: USGO can you manage that?
active0 [2d\]: to connect, w should play s14. but that's very bad direction, w will never play that
Harbinger [4k\]: ko maybe?
tywin [2d?\]: They are kind of trying to play a serious tournament match, popocon.
sweety [-\]: s7
USGO1 [-\]: Well, Matthew is cracking his knuckles and Jie is chugging some water and juice.
eboesch [1k\]: eh, r11 looks pretty lousy, what about s10 s11?
Achiles [2k\]: any of them blinking?
popocon [10k\]: what does blinking signify?
]
;W[rm]C[glasszee [3k\]: cracking his knuckles ready to slam a stone down hard
glasszee [3k\]: bam
popocon [10k\]: oh ho
tywin [2d?\]: That they have something in their eyes?
Achiles [2k\]: in martial arts who blinks first loses
popocon [10k\]: so martial arts is not for the dry eyed
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: are you sure you're not mistaking martial arts for a no-blinking contest?
Achiles [2k\]: (unless its chuck norris, who can kick with his eyelids)
momNdead: the game means sooo much to themmm....they r blinking tears of joy
active0 [2d\]: i've read s10, btw. b cannot resist with r9, he would end with a crappy shape
active0 [2d\]: so my idea was wrong :3
USSRMan [3d\]: i would s6
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i don't think i'd s6
USSRMan [3d\]: messy fight
tywin [2d?\]: Because violence is the answer.
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i'd probably try to sacrifice r6 stones for right side
active0 [2d\]: s6 is kind of the only move to me
popocon [10k\]: Matthew is probably chugging some more juice
frostwind [4k\]: i'll play s9 without blinking
frostwind [4k\]: s9 s6 r7 
active0 [2d\]: s9 is really really bad here
frostwind [4k\]: cut white to pieces
active0 [2d\]: that's terrible shape!
Harbinger [4k\]: good call sweety :)
active0 [2d\]: and b is not even alive anywhere
eboesch [1k\]: s9 s6
frostwind [4k\]: yes
Achiles [2k\]: r7 bad shape
popocon [10k\]: oh yikes
frostwind [4k\]: s9 s6 r7
Snova1987a [10k\]: sweety called a move?
glasszee [3k\]: that doesn't work
]
;B[pi]C[active0 [2d\]: s9 s6 r7 q8 then b has 2 weak groups..
glasszee [3k\]: at all
]
;W[rn]C[EdhelDil [3k\]: frostwind: then w q8 cuts b to pieces, is it your point? ^^
RichHuig [15k?\]: q6?
Harbinger [4k\]: what the senior admin wants, the senior admin gets
Harbinger [4k\]: no and ifs or buts.
Trevors [6k\]: seems he was worried about r11 or q11 lol 
popocon [10k\]: also, being a timelord helps
glasszee [3k\]: q8 is connected now?
Trevors [6k\]: ;P
glasszee [3k\]: but in gote
popocon [10k\]: gote but huge no?
active0 [2d\]: s6 is incredibly huge
tywin [2d?\]: This looks like a great result for w.
popocon [10k\]: right
active0 [2d\]: it also closes the corner pretty much
Harbinger [4k\]: i feel like B owes a move on the right
tywin [2d?\]: "You want to give me free money? Well, if you *insist*..."
EdhelDil [3k\]: q8 ?
popocon [10k\]: white can now chase q6r6
Snova1987a [10k\]: *no ifs, ands or buts
active0 [2d\]: i dont think b can go in any further than o2, if at all
sweety [-\]: m13
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i think black has to do something about bottom now
sweety [-\]: m3
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: no time to fix right side
popocon [10k\]: no time to fix right side?
]
;B[lq]C[popocon [10k\]: that's gonna come back to haunt
active0 [2d\]: right side is fixed
lance [1d\]: already fixed
active0 [2d\]: b is connected and fine there
]
;W[nq]C[glasszee [3k\]: strong!!!
popocon [10k\]: oh h3
active0 [2d\]: m6 now ?
tywin [2d?\]: popocon, you want to give w that many points *and* sente?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: so... who wants to count?
guapo [2k\]: h4 only
Snova1987a [10k\]: yes sweety is strong
]
;B[pl]C[frostwind [4k\]: w 52 pts, b 38
frostwind [4k\]: w leading
Trevors [6k\]: i like h5
frostwind [4k\]: + komi
popocon [10k\]: tywin not sure what you mean or are referring to
glasszee [3k\]: hard to find the biggest move on this board now because all of w's groups are settled
Monocle [2k\]: is black aiming at something like h11 for the center?
Snova1987a [10k\]: it seemed like W was disrespecting B and B is starting to get the best of this
popocon [10k\]: just looks like m3 would have liked h3
]
;W[ho]C[Trevors [6k\]: BOOOOOOOOOOM
glasszee [3k\]: nice job trevors
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i've got more like 54 for black
Brentsuji [4k\]: tesuji!
Trevors [6k\]: :D soooo happy i had insight for like .5 sec 
EdhelDil [3k\]: h5 attacks m3 mightily
frostwind [4k\]: m5 
frostwind [4k\]: what's there to think
frostwind [4k\]: m5 should be instant response and only move
active0 [2d\]: i liked m6 a lot better :\\
popocon [10k\]: m6 too late now?
tywin [2d?\]: Instant responses turn into instant mistakes so easily.
active0 [2d\]: yes too late because now m6 will get cut
Achiles [2k\]: m3 is a fallen hero
tywin [2d?\]: There is time, use it and read.
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: h5 is pretty awesome
guapo [2k\]: i bet some keima next
active0 [2d\]: i think b can still l6
frostwind [4k\]: blacks' top is not territory
tywin [2d?\]: A good move is still good after reading it out: where's the harm?
frostwind [4k\]: only influence
frostwind [4k\]: true
frostwind [4k\]: thanks for that tywin
frostwind [4k\]: maybe that's why i'm a kyu XD
popocon [10k\]: h5 really hurts
active0 [2d\]: i think h5 is a mistake^^
sweety [-\]: L6
tywin [2d?\]: This is do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do advice. I've turned into a very lazy reader recently :)
active0 [2d\]: i would have l4 for w
active0 [2d\]: then probably b j3
]
;B[kn]C[popocon [10k\]: shoulder hit?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: h5 pretty good shape against f4 area though
noi [6k\]: L6 sexy
momNdead: tit fo'tat
]
;W[mn]C[popocon [10k\]: o6 for white?
popocon [10k\]: oh knights
]
;B[qm]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: hm, can black try to seal off center in anyway
Trevors [6k\]: f6 will be big later once this pans out
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: not after this
active0 [2d\]: b k3, aim at h2 j2 h4 
lance [1d\]: how many moves will black spend on the right?
frostwind [4k\]: r7 is my move (rock)
USGO1 [-\]: Does this put the corner in danger again with the white peep at s4?
noi [6k\]: that was all he needed
Trevors [6k\]: l4? now
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: r7 dosn't seem like a good moev to me
]
;W[kp]C[EdhelDil [3k\]: l5 ish
Trevors [6k\]: ;)
EdhelDil [3k\]: oh
Snova1987a [10k\]: kill kill kill
popocon [10k\]: cut
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i think black might try n7 
Trevors [6k\]: 2 times is rather funny
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: and hope white falls asleep
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: and lets him then get h11 
momNdead: b j4???
Brentsuji [4k\]: m5
active0 [2d\]: oh h11 is good spot
active0 [2d\]: r7 is a mystery to me
active0 [2d\]: why there??
active0 [2d\]: why not k4 or something...
active0 [2d\]: k3*
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i think he r7 to prep n7 
EdhelDil [3k\]: active: big, but yeah i'd rather help m3 
tywin [2d?\]: I think not, USGO. 
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: but that's just a wild guess
frostwind [4k\]: r7 cuts w to pieces
TheMage [2d\]: r7 pretty big
Trevors [6k\]: it seems like m5 would be good for blk.... since all his stones seem to be making a large moyo at center
active0 [2d\]: r7 is tiny to me..
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: r7 doesn't cut anything
Achiles [2k\]: b wants center?
frostwind [4k\]: it cut r8
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: r7s gotta be for thickness to try to get cetner
Trevors [6k\]:  but its just not good now. to cut n 6 off  from the rest
Capsule [4d\]: m5 m4 n5 o5 o6 
active0 [2d\]: it's not even thickness, is it?
peakoil [3d\]: r7 points and thickness. question is whether timing was right or not
EdhelDil [3k\]: m5 m4 n5 ?...
Trevors [6k\]: capsuls thts wht i was reading
active0 [2d\]: capsule, that's poor shape and very risky, isn't it?
]
;B[lo]
;W[lp]C[Capsule [4d\]: ok
]
;B[mo]C[EdhelDil [3k\]: yea!
Trevors [6k\]: and there it is
]
;W[on]C[Capsule [4d\]: but o5 is inferior to p6
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: but now is the risky part
active0 [2d\]: o6 now
peakoil [3d\]: o6
popocon [10k\]: w wedging?
Trevors [6k\]: ahhhhhhh i didnt see tht.. 
Achiles [2k\]: p7
popocon [10k\]: i bean B wedging
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: sort of have to wedge i think
EdhelDil [3k\]: s5 ?
frostwind [4k\]: o5 more solid
frostwind [4k\]: for black
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: w has q5 for free though
EdhelDil [3k\]: ah no
active0 [2d\]: s5 good idea
active0 [2d\]: but q5 is sente..
lance [1d\]: black shape so helpful to white
active0 [2d\]: w found a good move
EdhelDil [3k\]: o7 
active0 [2d\]: o7 is bad result
Trevors [6k\]: in all cases n5 group gets severly weakend
active0 [2d\]: b could have o7 without giving away m3
EdhelDil [3k\]: o7 o6 n7 m6 m7 
peakoil [3d\]: wedgie best move here
active0 [2d\]: if o7, w will be very happy
active0 [2d\]: and o6 p7 then b has no move
Harbinger [4k\]: n7 lol
Brentsuji [4k\]: s5, p5, r9, w sente (i don't think w will protect s5
active0 [2d\]: remember that w has an atari against r6!
Capsule [4d\]: b won't wedge
eboesch [1k\]: if o6 then p7 right?
active0 [2d\]: yes
frostwind [4k\]: i think r7 was prepared for corner invasion
frostwind [4k\]: but w trying to fix aji
active0 [2d\]: o6 does not work, o7 is bad result - b failed
frostwind [4k\]: in sente
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i really don't think black foresaw p6
TheRay [4k\]: after o7 will be come p7 also or?
eboesch [1k\]: yeah hard to see anything around here for b that isn't ugly
peakoil [3d\]: o6 o7 o5 then w cannot connect 
active0 [2d\]: o7 o6 m8 might be best, but terrible to lose m3 like that
]
;B[mp]
;W[mq]C[active0 [2d\]: peak, that's a poor sequence
guapo [2k\]: k4
Harbinger [4k\]: going for k4?
]
;B[jp]C[active0 [2d\]: w will never atari that stone..
Achiles [2k\]: why give lib away?
EdhelDil [3k\]: going for o7, to me, this sequence
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: k4 doesn't even seem that good for black
peakoil [3d\]: b not concerned with sealing off center?
popocon [10k\]: what does this nose attachment grant
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: because he still ends with bad shape
Harbinger [4k\]: no, i actually passed thru this on my list of ideas and tossed it aside as one of my worse ones
]
;W[jo]C[EdhelDil [3k\]: l5 for free
Brentsuji [4k\]: k5 has fighting spirit
EdhelDil [3k\]: then o7?
Achiles [2k\]: trying to catch m6 maybe
braincrash [?\]: l5 ajikeshi
active0 [2d\]: o7 still bad result for b x)
frostwind [4k\]: black just need to atari now
EdhelDil [3k\]: ^^
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: k6 ?
frostwind [4k\]: atari = sente
frostwind [4k\]: teacher says always play sente move
guapo [2k\]: l5 only
frostwind [4k\]: so i always atari
passerine [10k\]: the atari forces white to play a move w wants in one direction or the other
active0 [2d\]: you'll get very far with that, frost
braincrash [?\]: k3 
passerine [10k\]: atari on the bottom and white gets out, atari on top and white gets huge territory
popocon [10k\]: frost, sente is for people who agree with you
EdhelDil [3k\]: frostwind: fan says sente is bad (taking initiative is good, playing sente is bad unless necessary)
toffee [3d\]: You can see w is toying with b.
]
;B[ko]
;W[kq]
;B[jq]C[Trevors [6k\]: mmmmmmmm
]
;W[lr]C[guapo [2k\]: can you?
Harbinger [4k\]: lol
Achiles [2k\]: if h4 works ..
active0 [2d\]: it does not
guapo [2k\]: j5
]
;B[kr]C[Harbinger [4k\]: me thinks B is going to try n7?
]
;W[lq]C[EdhelDil [3k\]: l2 m3 j5 
]
;B[io]
;W[jn]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: obviously l2 first
]
;B[in]C[Harbinger [4k\]: noooo lol
]
;W[jm]
;B[ip]C[peakoil [3d\]: no wonder he didn't wedge.
AzureSea [4d\]: j7
peakoil [3d\]: he went for the 5-stone sacrifice
guapo [2k\]: doesnt look that good for b now
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: well, black's goals seemed to be completely teh opposite of what i expected
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew seems split between wanting L7 and h4
USGO1 [-\]: Which do you think?
braincrash [?\]: l7 is enough
hemb [?\]: k7 is looking pretty weak
Trevors [6k\]: miai? m5 group or go into e4 moyo
EdhelDil [3k\]: l7 seems bigger than the "loss"
AzureSea [4d\]: j7
braincrash [?\]: time to count
peakoil [3d\]: L7 for sure
active0 [2d\]: amazing how b could lose this many stones without sealing off the center
eboesch [1k\]: b h4 is huge, but if w can actually attack k7 instead of vice versa that's huge too
braincrash [?\]: l7 too thick to pass up
EdhelDil [3k\]: h4 big though
guapo [2k\]: i prefer L7
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
EdhelDil [3k\]: h4 first actually, for w
braincrash [?\]: h4 l7 
humblelife [-\]: w has enough points, so l7 is better
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: wait, lemme actually read j7
Trevors [6k\]: l7 has more potential terr, aswell
EdhelDil [3k\]: letting b get h4 seems big
lance [1d\]: give b credit for finding something
humblelife [-\]: not really, just breaks any center b could get
Brentsuji [4k\]: L7 secures a group, while H4 is pure territory, so I prefer L7
braincrash [?\]: this is a test for greed
EdhelDil [3k\]: h4 settles j5 
hemb [?\]: l7 just too solid
tuerda [2d\]: H4 b J5 stones would be floating still
braincrash [?\]: ppl who want h4 fail the test
Trevors [6k\]: true
TheMage [2d\]: h4 seems clear
active0 [2d\]: h4 l7 j7 h6 h7 g6 l8 
tuerda [2d\]: I would play H4 here
braincrash [?\]: thats what they want u to think
Trevors [6k\]: but lib and places to run for k7 group 
active0 [2d\]: after h4, b cannot really save m5
peakoil [3d\]: $20 on L7
ricedragon [1d\]: L7?
Harbinger [4k\]: why would u want H4 instead of say f4?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i wouldn't h4 because it's too hard to read
popocon [10k\]: h4 too big for black
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i'd l7
guapo [2k\]: l7 is ugly
guapo [2k\]: either j7 or h4
]
;W[km]C[active0 [2d\]: f4 is bad, because it is the same as h4 just worse
Snova1987a [10k\]: lol
hemb [?\]: l7 isn't ugly
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
Harbinger [4k\]: lol
]
;B[hp]C[frostwind [4k\]: l7 is thick
hemb [?\]: filled triangle = bliss
braincrash [?\]: pro pretty much has to l7 
TheMage [2d\]: l7 is boring
guapo [2k\]: indeed
noi [6k\]: why has to?
frostwind [4k\]: w doesnt need to fight
guapo [2k\]: but it must have been the right one
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: now, what can white do about black's top, anything?
Achiles [2k\]: thats why its good?
frostwind [4k\]: he's ahead
Shinbo [8k\]: but a calm response
Akagi316 [-\]: k11 :D
peakoil [3d\]: j7 now
braincrash [?\]: his sensi would beat him otherwise
]
;W[ee]C[frostwind [4k\]: j16
]
;B[fe]C[Trevors [6k\]: i was thinking tht atari
]
;W[ef]C[SColbert [4d\]: w 75 ish
Trevors [6k\]: but the wall from blk seemed to good
peakoil [3d\]: that seemed slow to me
guapo [2k\]: p12
Snova1987a [10k\]: makin a little cash
AzureSea [4d\]: big tho
Brentsuji [4k\]: now j16ish
hbw [2k\]: M9
peakoil [3d\]: now b can j7
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: p12 for who?
EdhelDil [3k\]: b17 also big, but not now
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: centainly not black
braincrash [?\]: slow = thick, mostly
]
;B[ff]C[peakoil [3d\]: j7 virtual sente for both sides
SColbert [4d\]: b close to 70
braincrash [?\]: certainly in the center
AzureSea [4d\]: j14
Achiles [2k\]: where is the famous b center?
TheMage [2d\]: not counting komi i assume
active0 [2d\]: j14 h13 
Trevors [6k\]: W h7
Shinbo [8k\]: isnt Bs top a lil too huge for w?
active0 [2d\]: then i kill you
SColbert [4d\]: komi counted
]
;W[gg]C[frostwind [4k\]: w 80 pts, b 70
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: b blew his chanec at center when he played m5 
Capsule [4d\]: g13 so ugly
Brentsuji [4k\]: b is not going to play j7 right away i don't think, so w can wait
Capsule [4d\]: not sure if tesuji, or misclick
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm
Achiles [2k\]: g13 looks panicky
peakoil [3d\]: wouldn't b g13 have been better than f14?
popocon [10k\]: capsule, misclick IRL
Capsule [4d\]: happens
EdhelDil [3k\]: ^^
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: g13 not that bad
hemb [?\]: 75 including komi?
active0 [2d\]: for real?
frostwind [4k\]: g13 looks like a misclick to me
peakoil [3d\]: g13 looks good
active0 [2d\]: does not look like mistake to me
peakoil [3d\]: can connect to f11
AzureSea [4d\]: good move
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: g13 gets white his 2nd tentacle into the center
BeefCake [4d\]: looks ok to me
TheMage [2d\]: w should be around 82 with komi
Achiles [2k\]: okay then it looks slick
tywin [2d?\]: W's potential territory is *much* smaller than b's potential territory.
Snova1987a [10k\]: misclick lol, ppl so detached from RL
SColbert [4d\]: b should play where w just did
hbw [2k\]: what the purpose
peakoil [3d\]: that's why b should have played there instead
Shinbo [8k\]: so w wants B to atari?
Capsule [4d\]: never said it's mistake, just that it looks ugly.
EdhelDil [3k\]:  b h15 ?
braincrash [?\]: g13 is a strange new move, works fine
active0 [2d\]: h15 a little close to the wall edhel
Herod [-\]: You might do better thinking why players on top board make their moves rather than reflexively calling them bad.
active0 [2d\]: rather tenuki
SColbert [4d\]: i can't agree with l7
EdhelDil [3k\]: j15 ?
active0 [2d\]: still bad
]
;B[hf]C[Brentsuji [4k\]: well said, Herod!
guapo [2k\]: top big
braincrash [?\]: sc i thought u were influence kinda guy
frostwind [4k\]: r14
hemb [?\]: I count w more about 67 without komi, but then counting isn't my strong suit
guapo [2k\]: p12
active0 [2d\]: this move is not bad because now if h13 then j13 and w cannot cut, but hane will be answered with counter hane, then b grows too big
active0 [2d\]: and if w j12 ...
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: black's got just over 70
active0 [2d\]: then idk.
TheMage [2d\]: w has 72 if im VERY strict with count
TheMage [2d\]: before komi
]
;W[ih]C[EdhelDil [3k\]: ?
Brentsuji [4k\]: These moves are thought provoking
Capsule [4d\]: it dangles
braincrash [?\]: somebody explain j12 
EdhelDil [3k\]: reduction?
active0 [2d\]: its the only move that is not crap in this area
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: j12 is white stopping black from playing there and expanding his territory
Achiles [2k\]: foil b center
popocon [10k\]: looks like reduction
hemb [?\]: and I count b more at 60, so maybe I am unreliable
passerine [10k\]: does it prep other better moves?
guapo [2k\]: w+2-3
EdhelDil [3k\]: j12 k14 and play elsewhere
Brentsuji [4k\]: I think this aims at J7, making a moyo off of k7
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: k14 is a wuss move
active0 [2d\]: k14??? never
rayheart [1d\]: witut J12 the wall of the right could get bigger
EdhelDil [3k\]: ^^
braincrash [?\]: how about w p12 ?
frostwind [4k\]: r14 big
BeefCake [4d\]: b17 seems huge
active0 [2d\]: k13, k12 or l12 are the only moves thinkable there
AzureSea [4d\]: r15
BeefCake [4d\]: and s16 for b
peakoil [3d\]: e13 can't hurt :)
EdhelDil [3k\]: i was thinking about s16, tough to read it all
Achiles [2k\]: I like L12
frostwind [4k\]: e13 gote
braincrash [?\]: r15 
Capsule [4d\]: l12...does nothing
active0 [2d\]: not very much
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: is tripod group alive with o18 so close?
Achiles [2k\]: but its a cap ...
active0 [2d\]: id rather yose the edges
BeefCake [4d\]: after s16 w has to play s17 or black lives with s18
hemb [?\]: I don't get j12, why is w running into the center?
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
BeefCake [4d\]: oh wait
BeefCake [4d\]: actually o18 might change that...
tywin [2d?\]: active, statements like that are usually the cue to play something else.
]
;B[rd]C[TheRay [4k\]: e13 not really gote
peakoil [3d\]: because otherwise b could get territory
]
;W[rc]C[active0 [2d\]: hemb if w j12 then the center is big
]
;B[qe]
;W[qb]C[Herod [-\]: consider if B played j12 instead
active0 [2d\]: b*
braincrash [?\]: he went the other way nooooo.....
AzureSea [4d\]: called it
AzureSea [4d\]: am I psychic or what
active0 [2d\]: youre amazing, ive never seen this before
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
EdhelDil [3k\]: ^^
EdhelDil [3k\]: m18 getting big (as it has l19 later as possible followup)
EdhelDil [3k\]: for w
braincrash [?\]: he dint go the another way just diff order
Snova1987a [10k\]: someone said B17, that looks bigger than M18
active0 [2d\]: yep
active0 [2d\]: b17 has more sente-ish followups
ljl [6k?\]: to me J7 looks bigger for black than M18
peakoil [3d\]: not end-game yet
USGO1 [-\]: Can black's peep at s4 live, or even get ko?
hemb [?\]: b tenuki here? l12 maybe?
active0 [2d\]: j7 is not very interesting because that area is already decided
peakoil [3d\]: I don't think so
]
;B[hi]C[braincrash [?\]: hmm s4 
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: does USGO1 ever tell us the answers to the questions he asks?
EdhelDil [3k\]: h13 
frostwind [4k\]: s4 s5 r3 q3 q2 s2 r2 p2 
ljl [6k?\]: so is M18 +/- a couple of points
eboesch [1k\]: I assume if he knew the answer he wouldn't ask
]
;W[ii]C[lance [1d\]: q5 atari makes it look tough
Achiles [2k\]: someone explain me h11
eboesch [1k\]: I don't either
peakoil [3d\]: isn't  h11 wrong direction?
hemb [?\]: maybe h11 aiming at g12?
peakoil [3d\]: I would have k12
Trevors [6k\]: blk j7?
peakoil [3d\]: g12 why? to get a single stone?
Brentsuji [4k\]: w is owed points in center due to thickness at L7
Trevors [6k\]: i like w s9 for later
braincrash [?\]: h11 sets up e13 
Trevors [6k\]: but k 13 seems big for blk 
lance [1d\]: what about black thickness
zettai [2k\]: white develops thickness in interesting ways
frostwind [4k\]: i develop thickness by killing enemy dragons
braincrash [?\]: m12 
USGO1 [-\]: I develop thickness with pizza.
zettai [2k\]: that seems like a silly way to develop thickness
hemb [?\]: making w thick basically kills b chance of getting territory at n13 
zettai [2k\]: killing dragons I mean
peakoil [3d\]: h11 j11 exchang eonly helped w
zettai [2k\]: pizza is a perfectly acceptable method for developing thickness
Achiles [2k\]: with the tank at l7 ...
Brentsuji [4k\]: i think it is hard for b to make center points, whereas if w gets to somewhere like o9 he will
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i thought b gave up his chances of making territory once white got j12 
braincrash [?\]: or m11 
Snova1987a [10k\]: what kind of pizza you guys have over there in Tacoma?
peakoil [3d\]: where are the hi-dans to explain h11 to us?
Capsule [4d\]: Tacoma is a pretty lame city...it's called Tacompton by some
peakoil [3d\]: tacoma makes people play h11
AzureSea [4d\]: tries to give w bad shape maybe
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: the only thing i could possibly think of this move is if black thinks he's goign to h12 h13 j13 k13 j14 h10 g10 g11 k12 
zettai [2k\]: looks like it threatens to cut
zettai [2k\]: at g12
BeefCake [4d\]: B found h11 in a dumpster behind the playing room
peakoil [3d\]: finally a real explanation! ;)
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i think he thinks he can get some sente moves at j13 and k12 
Achiles [2k\]: and if b cuts w runs to l7
eboesch [1k\]: obviously I don't know the answer, but h11 seems to complicate any effort by j12 to push further into b territory
braincrash [?\]: g11 kinda works
lance [1d\]: if black cuts he dies
Trevors [6k\]: i thought h11 may have been an attempt to cut off g13
zettai [2k\]: black doesnt die if he cuts\]
braincrash [?\]: b is desperate enough for g11 
]
;B[ij]C[zettai [2k\]: first move in the sequence
zettai [2k\]: is j10
zettai [2k\]: which I typed too late
USGO1 [-\]: Jie is shaking his head.
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
EdhelDil [3k\]: h12 only move?
zettai [2k\]: no
Capsule [4d\]: "People on KGS are probably making fun of me for playing h11..."
peakoil [3d\]: thinking, "why did I look inside that dumpster"
Shinbo [8k\]: USGO1, where is that game broadcasted?
USGO1 [-\]: It's as though your dislike of h11 floated across the universe to him.
EdhelDil [3k\]: e14 may die ^^
zettai [2k\]: g11
braincrash [?\]: h12 
Capsule [4d\]: j14
noi [6k\]: e14 die??
zettai [2k\]: g11 -.-
zettai [2k\]: e14 can die
hemb [?\]: is wh8 crazy?
zettai [2k\]: it simply requires a tenuki :\\
noi [6k\]: sure, with w help
zettai [2k\]: g11 is the only logical move
braincrash [?\]: hemp yes
lance [1d\]: how many tenukis?
zettai [2k\]: 1
eboesch [1k\]: I really doubt e14 will die
braincrash [?\]: sorry meant hemb
zettai [2k\]: lol
hemb [?\]: its a common mistake
]
;W[jj]
;B[ik]C[braincrash [?\]: i bet :)
]
;W[bc]
;B[bb]C[eboesch [1k\]: I don't think the other moves are bit enough to justify w giving it up
]
;W[ab]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: oh look, black made like 4 points of territory
]
;B[ba]C[BeefCake [4d\]: b17 was So big
guapo [2k\]: here is for b17!
guapo [2k\]: hip hip
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: c18 just cuz?
frostwind [4k\]: there's weakness in w's shape
]
;W[fc]C[frostwind [4k\]: in the left
Snova1987a [10k\]: xD
zettai [2k\]: g17 f18 e18 
zettai [2k\]: and squeeze
frostwind [4k\]: f18 of course
hemb [?\]: g17 f18 g18 though?
frostwind [4k\]: f18 g17 g18 h17 h15 
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: hard to squeeze with dead stones
frostwind [4k\]: w dead
frostwind [4k\]: cant live
Capsule [4d\]: it's free aji
frostwind [4k\]: f17 overplay
pururun [3k\]: is ssquieeze a self atari?
frostwind [4k\]: but yes
hemb [?\]: maybe w is playing this to make m18 more dangerous?
zettai [2k\]: not overplay
frostwind [4k\]: doesnt hurt
zettai [2k\]: -.-
guapo [2k\]: w is dead but the aji might het him extra points
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: f18 g17 h16 
hemb [?\]: bf18 wrong direction I think
braincrash [?\]: i hate when someone who knows what they r doin plays moves that dont look like they know
guapo [2k\]: maybe getting f13 in sente is enough for w
]
;B[fb]C[eboesch [1k\]: w would be thrilled to do that
eboesch [1k\]: I don't think he can though
Brentsuji [4k\]: braincrash, how strong are you?
Brentsuji [4k\]: your comments seem insightful
guapo [2k\]: i was thinking the same
braincrash [?\]: f18 totally unexpected
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: f18 was not unexpected...
Achiles [2k\]: hey what about my comments
RichHuig [15k?\]: insightful too:)
sweety [-\]: j14
Achiles [2k\]: :D
braincrash [?\]: im pro kibitzer
Brentsuji [4k\]: good answer
Herod [-\]: And the pay reflects the value of the comments
]
;W[if]C[guapo [2k\]: j14 was unexpected
Achiles [2k\]: dont make me laugh my ribs hurt
ljl [6k?\]: USGO1 what is the time for w and b
USGO1 [-\]: Lots.
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: j14 because g17 is met with a black move on the outside
ljl [6k?\]: kk
Capsule [4d\]: sweety too good
Rukis [1k\]: lol
ljl [6k?\]: thx
Rukis [1k\]: xD
Rukis [1k\]: Sweety is awesome
guapo [2k\]: usgo1 thats cruel
]
;B[ie]
;W[jf]C[Rukis [1k\]: how do you fidure?
Rukis [1k\]: figure*
Capsule [4d\]: #TeamSweety
Rukis [1k\]: xD
eboesch [1k\]: e13 (imaginative suggestion)
Achiles [2k\]: now w will make 3 points in center and win by 3 points
Rukis [1k\]: best tsumego ever, white to win 19x19 blank board
Rukis [1k\]: so far so good
ljl [6k?\]: black should win...
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: black wouldn't win if komi was correct
Rukis [1k\]: komi is correct..
Achiles [2k\]: what komi you have in mind?
ljl [6k?\]: if komi worked then w/b would win 50%
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: correct komi would be the one that results in jigo
guapo [2k\]: correct komi shouldnt give w victory
guapo [2k\]: so no .5
]
;B[kh]C[braincrash [?\]: b has no teeth
frostwind [4k\]: b has to do this
frostwind [4k\]: he's too far behind
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: not all rule systems have .5
]
;W[hg]C[Achiles [2k\]: m11
braincrash [?\]: l10 seems bigger than protecting f16 
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: when i counted it was close, but i forgot to count m5 stones. so....good luck black
ljl [6k?\]: that e13 push is looking short on time for black
RichHuig [15k?\]: W +R ?
ljl [6k?\]: which ever side im playing -R
]
;B[lm]C[braincrash [?\]: going for it
]
;W[ln]C[frostwind [4k\]: m8 is better
frostwind [4k\]: stupid w
Rukis [1k\]: how do you know?
guapo [2k\]: yeah so weak
]
;B[lb]C[Rukis [1k\]: your 4k
]
;W[he]C[Rukis [1k\]: im 1k and hes pro
guapo [2k\]: tell us something we dont know
braincrash [?\]: totally dint see m18 coming
Rukis [1k\]: um the next move you wont be expecting
braincrash [?\]: h16 is about all he has no?
frostwind [4k\]: g18
charkysan [-\]: b can get more libs with e13 and f13
]
;B[hd]C[frostwind [4k\]: e13 is gote tho
frostwind [4k\]: w will tenuki and play elsewhere
charkysan [-\]: e13 is atari
]
;W[re]
;B[rf]
;W[sd]C[charkysan [-\]: if b plays it
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: e14 is a wasted ko threat
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: *e13
braincrash [?\]: n7 o5 l10 show me
Brentsuji [4k\]: q12 aji looming
]
;B[rg]C[chenccc1 [3k\]: i think F13 is so big for w
]
;W[im]
;B[hm]C[frostwind [4k\]: f13 gote
frostwind [4k\]: he will never play that
Knight [-\]: Sorry, just joined, is andy Liu playing a game?
]
;W[li]C[USGO1 [-\]: Andy is playing a game and it is being recorded, but not broadcast live.
USGO1 [-\]: You will be able to review it in the crosstabs tomorrow when all the results are posted and sgf files uploaded.
rayheart [1d\]: who is winning this tournament?
Knight [-\]: Ok, thank you.
Neospring [2k\]: any channels?
USGO1 [-\]: There are four players who are 2-0, two of which you see playing in this game and another two on board 2.
]
;B[ki]C[atarinogo [?\]: What is difference between NA Masters and Strong Players Open?
Knight [-\]: So after this round, only 2 will be undefeated.
]
;W[lj]C[Rukis [1k\]: So their might be tiebreakers?
Snova1987a [10k\]:  so interested in standings but haven't checked Go congress website x.x
]
;B[kj]C[Rukis [1k\]: is the last round on thursday?
frostwind [4k\]: this is known as
frostwind [4k\]: "black tried to resist, and died in gote"
Rukis [1k\]: how does black dies in gote?
frostwind [4k\]: u'll see soon
braincrash [?\]: i get b+4
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i thought you said Hu lost earlier today
Achiles [2k\]: so how does m10 escape
USGO1 [-\]: The Masters is invitation only, based on attendance and performance at qualifying tournaments throughout the year.
atarinogo [?\]: Thank you. What about "Strong Players"? Is that different from US Open?
chenccc1 [3k\]: N7 for w
USGO1 [-\]: Yes, it is separate, although many players compete in both. The US Open is 6 rounds long.
Herod [-\]: Open is played in the mornings.  Other two tournaments in the evenings
]
;W[kk]C[frostwind [4k\]: w 84.5, b 79
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: i see
atarinogo [?\]: Oh, so a strong player can be in both opens?
Eduardo [2k\]: what time is on USgo congress? 
frostwind [4k\]: black die
Knight [-\]: Frostwind, where is black dead?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: frostwind is having some technical difficulties
eboesch [1k\]: I assume he means m7
frostwind [4k\]: learn to read
Komachi [-\]: USGO1, can you see the clocks?
frostwind [4k\]: :)
USGO1 [-\]: Players 4d and higher can register for the Strong Players Open, but only the top 16 ratings get in.
Knight [-\]: Frostwind, that's funny. ;P
atarinogo [?\]: Thanks USGO
Knight [-\]: But no need to be rude, Frost.
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: k9 
Knight [-\]: I think K9 may be too passive
braincrash [?\]: cant see it working
Knight [-\]: I don't really see a better safe option.
charkysan [-\]: k9 too canine
Knight [-\]: though*
Knight [-\]: xD
]
;B[lk]
;W[mk]
;B[ll]
;W[kl]
;B[mm]
;W[nn]C[Eduardo [2k\]: ^^
Brentsuji [4k\]: frostwind cocky from slaying 2ks while taking a mere 2 stones
]
;B[nm]
;W[om]
;B[nl]
;W[ol]
;B[nk]
;W[ok]
;B[nj]
;W[oj]C[braincrash [?\]: expensive
Knight [-\]: I was thinking about m9 but wasn't sure it ended well
Rukis [1k\]: this is .. painful?
]
;B[ni]
;W[qk]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: yes
Knight [-\]: Looks like B got what he wanted.
]
;B[rk]
;W[pk]C[Knight [-\]: But paid for it
Knight [-\]: Dearly
]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]C[McMaster [-\]: Wow
tfunk [7k?\]: a cost b must have been ready to pay?
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o???
Shinbo [8k\]: that escalated quickly
Knight [-\]: B did need n12 area as territory
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: black probably came out slightly better
peakoil [3d\]: e13 now?
frostwind [4k\]: p11 is necessary now
Knight [-\]: But giving up r6  is huge
braincrash [?\]: seems like a net gain but only cuz b had squat otherwise
hemb [?\]: seems about fair... need wl13 now
SColbert [4d\]: b11 area
SColbert [4d\]: biggest
charkysan [-\]: b finally got some center, but w still ahead
Rukis [1k\]: frostwind
Knight [-\]: Scolbert is correct
Knight [-\]: IMO
USGO1 [-\]: Does black need another move around L14 to seal it off?
Rukis [1k\]: show me a sequence proving p11 is needed
]
;B[kg]C[rayheart [1d\]: Sorry i have a question who is winning this tournament?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: black might watn to help out l12 stones. 
Knight [-\]: I believe B11 is largest area
]
;W[gf]
;B[fg]C[Knight [-\]: Wow
McMaster [-\]: ray, don't know yet as of now
peakoil [3d\]: not e13 first?
Rukis [1k\]: no need
frostwind [4k\]: w dies
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: if white responds it's gote
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: frostwind is still having some technical difficulties
Knight [-\]: why did W capture instead of f13 ?
eboesch [1k\]: f13 clear sente now
]
;W[eg]C[Rukis [1k\]: oo
Rukis [1k\]: white says he can live
Rukis [1k\]: because he can...
hemb [?\]: b has lots of weaknesses at j16 and g16 seems like
SColbert [4d\]: b was better off with e13 directly
peakoil [3d\]: b should have e13 if there was even the slightest doubt
Rukis [1k\]: maybe e13 was better
peakoil [3d\]: of course it was better! 
peakoil [3d\]: absolutely sente, then f13!
]
;B[fh]C[hemb [?\]: w could ignore f13 if b played e13 first though?
SColbert [4d\]: w dies now
]
;W[gi]C[peakoil [3d\]: so f13 was a trick move then
Rukis [1k\]: g12 h12 h10 g16 g17 j16 g15 k15 ?
braincrash [?\]: another expensive option
Rukis [1k\]: ko i think
Rukis [1k\]: nope nvm
Rukis [1k\]: my var
hemb [?\]: rukis why not g16 g17 g15?
eboesch [1k\]: too complicated for me
frostwind [4k\]: w 101.5 provided he live, b 80
braincrash [?\]: game turning into ffa
frostwind [4k\]: g12
SColbert [4d\]: can w live
Rukis [1k\]: g12 h12 h10 g16 g17 j16 g15 k15 ?
Rukis [1k\]: why connect at g15?
]
;B[gh]C[SColbert [4d\]: seems
peakoil [3d\]: don't post more than 3 coordinates at a time please!
SColbert [4d\]: b can kill
braincrash [?\]: b can die also
SColbert [4d\]: resign time
Eduardo [2k\]: ??
]
;W[hh]
;B[hj]C[Eduardo [2k\]: w is alive
]
;W[id]
;B[je]C[Rukis [1k\]: not exactly...
]
;W[jd]C[qian [1d\]: seems alive
]
;B[ke]C[Achiles [2k\]: f17 is the aji
]
;W[gc]C[hemb [?\]: rukis nvmd forgot f17 was taken in that sequence
Rukis [1k\]: terrible aji now
Shinbo [8k\]: ouch
]
;B[ge]C[wuwei [3k\]: more than alive
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
hemb [?\]: h14?
SColbert [4d\]: g18
]
;W[gb]C[frostwind [4k\]: fill
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: white foresaw this when he first played f17
ljl [6k?\]: he reads the future....
noi [6k\]: probably felt it back when he played a18
Manslay [9k?\]: who's tricked now?
charkysan [-\]: maybe not, but probably saw a way to create aji
eboesch [1k\]: b has nothing?
Achiles [2k\]: nope
SColbert [4d\]: e18 h14 miai
lance [1d\]: corner bigger
hemb [?\]: g18 because it kills d17 and still has ko for h13?
iPwnNoobs [1d\]: h14 not ko
]
;B[hc]
;W[hb]C[Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
frostwind [4k\]: d19 lives
hemb [?\]: its not?
SColbert [4d\]: ko
]
;B[ib]
;W[eh]
;B[hf]
;W[eb]C[Eduardo [2k\]: xd
tfunk [7k?\]: bloody
Achiles [2k\]: free for w
SColbert [4d\]: who gains in trade
ljl [6k?\]: ko not to answer
ljl [6k?\]: ???
frostwind [4k\]: not free
frostwind [4k\]: w lost j12
hemb [?\]: big trade
noi [6k\]: good trade for w
Rukis [1k\]: this is terrible
Brentsuji [4k\]: man, I wish they would fight a little
Achiles [2k\]: ko or not d17 already dead
LarryG [3d\]: white gained
]
;B[gd]
;W[fa]C[SColbert [4d\]: b capturing w is worth 20 points
peakoil [3d\]: b should have 07 wedged
Rukis [1k\]: black will resign
hemb [?\]: he must be comfortable with his lead
Rukis [1k\]: b11
Rukis [1k\]: if he doesnt
SColbert [4d\]: w capturing e17 is 30 points
]
;B[hr]
;W[bj]C[tfunk [7k?\]: phew
SColbert [4d\]: actually close to 37 points
]
;B[bk]C[SColbert [4d\]: so net gain for w
]
;W[bi]C[charkysan [-\]: by hindsight, b had to capture f17 before pushing in the middle, but then w could have blocked
]
;B[aj]
;W[ai]
;B[ak]C[USGO1 [-\]: Jie has used all hsi basic time and is now in byo-yomi.
SColbert [4d\]: even the top players don't resign at this stage of the game
hemb [?\]: b should have just played g17 instead of f18 in the first place
SColbert [4d\]: when all hope is lost
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew still has 40+ minutes left.
]
;W[fk]
;B[fj]C[Brentsuji [4k\]: white has played beautifully
ljl [6k?\]: phunny moves happen in Bio
]
;W[gj]C[atarinogo [?\]: amazing life by w at f19
SColbert [4d\]: this is ouch
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
]
;B[fl]C[SColbert [4d\]: c9 cut
]
;W[jk]
;B[ji]C[atarinogo [?\]: w+
]
;W[il]
;B[hk]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]
;W[no]C[Eduardo [2k\]: XD
frostwind [4k\]: oh
frostwind [4k\]: b missed that
frostwind [4k\]: now n5 dead :D
hemb [?\]: phew b lucky about that shortage of liberties
]
;B[hn]
;W[jb]C[Rukis [1k\]: wait...
Knight [-\]: N5 was already dead frost.
charkysan [-\]: w ahead more than 10
Knight [-\]: And it was sente
Rukis [1k\]: nvm
Rukis [1k\]: lol
Knight [-\]: For W
SColbert [4d\]: k18 should be nail on coffin
peakoil [3d\]: k18 says "resign already"
atarinogo [?\]: this is painful for b
lithograph [1k\]: p11 anything?
Brentsuji [4k\]: Tesuji!
frostwind [4k\]: just j19
Rukis [1k\]: k17 j19 l18 
frostwind [4k\]: calmoly
]
;B[jc]
;W[ia]
;B[ic]
;W[ne]
;B[nf]C[Rukis [1k\]: hmm
]
;W[oe]
;B[of]
;W[ir]C[frostwind [4k\]: w is very rude
frostwind [4k\]: play all the sente moves
]
;B[iq]
;W[jr]C[frostwind [4k\]: should take turn paly sente
]
;B[gs]
;W[er]C[basicpract [-\]: shuld always hog as much sente as you can :)
ChoUsRival [-\]: he is taking turns... hes just listed as havign more turns before black :P
]
;B[kb]
;W[ja]C[basicpract [-\]: then take the opponent's biggest sente away and laugh :P
Eduardo [2k\]: why dont b resign? o.o
atarinogo [?\]: w has 2 enormous corners plus 2 small corners
]
;B[ha]C[braincrash [?\]: its too late to resign
]
;W[ga]
;B[ka]C[Eduardo [2k\]: Is winning b with aga rules? XD
SColbert [4d\]: it's never too late to resign
]
;W[ha]
;B[sm]
;W[so]C[iPwnNoobs [1d\]: AGA rules give almost the same score as japanese
noi [6k\]: next to rank there should be a number showing how many lines of useful kibitz you make as a percentage of total kibitz in game
basicpract [-\]: only off by one point depending on even or odd, and sekis :)
SColbert [4d\]: lol
Achiles [2k\]: define useful
LarryG [3d\]: w+20
SColbert [4d\]: ask Zen to grade 
Knight [-\]: I like achiles answer. xD
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;B[oi]C[SColbert [4d\]: your suggested moves
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;W[fs]
;B[hs]
;W[ao]
;B[an]
;W[ap]C[SColbert [4d\]: if winrate goes up then +1
charkysan [-\]: what if b d19?
SColbert [4d\]: if down then -1
]
;B[na]
;W[oa]
;B[ma]
;W[sn]C[Knight [-\]: d19 d18 c18 
basicpract [-\]: it is one eye to none
Achiles [2k\]: wow that could actually work ..
Knight [-\]: B can't approach
daftclair [8k\]: I was just wondering about d19
Knight [-\]: W wins
]
;B[rj]
;W[sl]
;B[sf]
;W[se]
;B[sk]
;W[ks]
;B[is]
;W[js]
;B[hq]
;W[pd]
;B[pj]
;W[sm]C[atarinogo [?\]: w playing blitz
ChoUsRival [-\]: What was upset about earlier >.> think he feel lil better now
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;B[]
;W[]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][pa][qa][ra][sa][bb][cb][db][fb][ob][pb][rb][sb][ac][cc][dc][ec][qc][sc][ad][cd][od][rd][ae][be][de][af][df][ag][bg][cg][dg][ah][bh][ch][dh][jl][pl][pm][qm][kn][pn][qn][ko][lo][mo][oo][po][ro][mp][op][qp][sp][aq][oq][pq][qq][rq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][kr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[la][kc][id][jd][ld][he][gf][if][jf][kf][lf][mf][pf][qf][gg][hg][ig][jg][lg][mg][ng][og][qg][sg][hh][ih][jh][lh][mh][nh][oh][ph][rh][sh][ii][li][mi][qi][ri][si][lj][mj][sj][ck][dk][ek][fk][mk][al][bl][cl][dl][el][ml][am][bm][cm][dm][em][fm][gm][bn][dn][en][fn][gn][co][do][eo][fo][go][ho][fp][gp]C[ChoUsRival [-\]: white*
Knight [-\]: and still has 35 min left
Rukis [1k\]: the .5 loss
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
Rukis [1k\]: this morning
hemb [?\]: great game, thanks usgo
Komachi [-\]: thank you USGO1.
ljl [6k?\]: thx 
noi [6k\]: W+28.5?
charkysan [-\]: i'd still like to see what happens if b d19
braincrash [?\]: se says w + 41.5
hemb [?\]: d19 d18
noi [6k\]: charky, b cant approach, so b dead
Brentsuji [4k\]: I think it all started with p6
hemb [?\]: and b can't approach, so w can take his time playing a19 and killing
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